Hoping to see Rick Santorum “throw up”!

I recently read here that Rick Santorum almost threw up when he read JF Kennedy’s 1960 speech on the role of religion in political life. So, I decided I would publish the speech here courtesy of NPR in the hope that Rick Santorum will actually throw up, and not in a good way! (Transcript courtesy of the John F. Kennedy Presidential Library and Museum).

Here is what bothered Santorum.

“Santorum defended his remarks, telling Stephanopoulos that “the first line, first substantive line in the speech, says, ‘I believe in America where the separation of church and state is absolute.’”

“I don’t believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute,” Santorum said. “The idea that the church can have no influence or no involvement in the operation of the state is absolutely antithetical to the objectives and vision of our country.”

He went on to note that the First Amendment “says the free exercise of religion — that means bringing everybody, people of faith and no faith, into the public square.””

December 5, 2007

On Sept. 12, 1960, presidential candidate John F. Kennedy gave a major speech to the Greater Houston Ministerial Association, a group of Protestant ministers, on the issue of his religion. At the time, many Protestants questioned whether Kennedy’s Roman Catholic faith would allow him to make important national decisions as president independent of the church. Kennedy addressed those concerns before a skeptical audience of Protestant clergy. The following is a transcript of Kennedy’s speech:

Kennedy: Rev. Meza, Rev. Reck, I’m grateful for your generous invitation to speak my views.

While the so-called religious issue is necessarily and properly the chief topic here tonight, I want to emphasize from the outset that we have far more critical issues to face in the 1960 election: the spread of Communist influence, until it now festers 90 miles off the coast of Florida; the humiliating treatment of our president and vice president by those who no longer respect our power; the hungry children I saw in West Virginia; the old people who cannot pay their doctor bills; the families forced to give up their farms; an America with too many slums, with too few schools, and too late to the moon and outer space.

These are the real issues which should decide this campaign. And they are not religious issues — for war and hunger and ignorance and despair know no religious barriers.

But because I am a Catholic, and no Catholic has ever been elected president, the real issues in this campaign have been obscured — perhaps deliberately, in some quarters less responsible than this. So it is apparently necessary for me to state once again not what kind of church I believe in — for that should be important only to me — but what kind of America I believe in.

I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute, where no Catholic prelate would tell the president (should he be Catholic) how to act, and no Protestant minister would tell his parishioners for whom to vote; where no church or church school is granted any public funds or political preference; and where no man is denied public office merely because his religion differs from the president who might appoint him or the people who might elect him.

I believe in an America that is officially neither Catholic, Protestant nor Jewish; where no public official either requests or accepts instructions on public policy from the Pope, the National Council of Churches or any other ecclesiastical source; where no religious body seeks to impose its will directly or indirectly upon the general populace or the public acts of its officials; and where religious liberty is so indivisible that an act against one church is treated as an act against all.

For while this year it may be a Catholic against whom the finger of suspicion is pointed, in other years it has been, and may someday be again, a Jew— or a Quaker or a Unitarian or a Baptist. It was Virginia’s harassment of Baptist preachers, for example, that helped lead to Jefferson’s statute of religious freedom. Today I may be the victim, but tomorrow it may be you — until the whole fabric of our harmonious society is ripped at a time of great national peril.

Finally, I believe in an America where religious intolerance will someday end; where all men and all churches are treated as equal; where every man has the same right to attend or not attend the church of his choice; where there is no Catholic vote, no anti-Catholic vote, no bloc voting of any kind; and where Catholics, Protestants and Jews, at both the lay and pastoral level, will refrain from those attitudes of disdain and division which have so often marred their works in the past, and promote instead the American ideal of brotherhood.

That is the kind of America in which I believe. And it represents the kind of presidency in which I believe — a great office that must neither be humbled by making it the instrument of any one religious group, nor tarnished by arbitrarily withholding its occupancy from the members of any one religious group. I believe in a president whose religious views are his own private affair, neither imposed by him upon the nation, or imposed by the nation upon him as a condition to holding that office.

I would not look with favor upon a president working to subvert the First Amendment’s guarantees of religious liberty. Nor would our system of checks and balances permit him to do so. And neither do I look with favor upon those who would work to subvert Article VI of the Constitution by requiring a religious test — even by indirection — for it. If they disagree with that safeguard, they should be out openly working to repeal it.

I want a chief executive whose public acts are responsible to all groups and obligated to none; who can attend any ceremony, service or dinner his office may appropriately require of him; and whose fulfillment of his presidential oath is not limited or conditioned by any religious oath, ritual or obligation.

This is the kind of America I believe in, and this is the kind I fought for in the South Pacific, and the kind my brother died for in Europe. No one suggested then that we may have a “divided loyalty,” that we did “not believe in liberty,” or that we belonged to a disloyal group that threatened the “freedoms for which our forefathers died.”

And in fact ,this is the kind of America for which our forefathers died, when they fled here to escape religious test oaths that denied office to members of less favored churches; when they fought for the Constitution, the Bill of Rights and the Virginia Statute of Religious Freedom; and when they fought at the shrine I visited today, the Alamo. For side by side with Bowie and Crockett died McCafferty and Bailey and Carey. But no one knows whether they were Catholic or not, for there was no religious test at the Alamo.

I ask you tonight to follow in that tradition, to judge me on the basis of my record of 14 years in Congress, on my declared stands against an ambassador to the Vatican, against unconstitutional aid to parochial schools, and against any boycott of the public schools (which I have attended myself)— instead of judging me on the basis of these pamphlets and publications we all have seen that carefully select quotations out of context from the statements of Catholic church leaders, usually in other countries, frequently in other centuries, and always omitting, of course, the statement of the American Bishops in 1948, which strongly endorsed church-state separation, and which more nearly reflects the views of almost every American Catholic.

I do not consider these other quotations binding upon my public acts. Why should you? But let me say, with respect to other countries, that I am wholly opposed to the state being used by any religious group, Catholic or Protestant, to compel, prohibit, or persecute the free exercise of any other religion. And I hope that you and I condemn with equal fervor those nations which deny their presidency to Protestants, and those which deny it to Catholics. And rather than cite the misdeeds of those who differ, I would cite the record of the Catholic Church in such nations as Ireland and France, and the independence of such statesmen as Adenauer and De Gaulle.

But let me stress again that these are my views. For contrary to common newspaper usage, I am not the Catholic candidate for president. I am the Democratic Party’s candidate for president, who happens also to be a Catholic. I do not speak for my church on public matters, and the church does not speak for me.

Whatever issue may come before me as president — on birth control, divorce, censorship, gambling or any other subject — I will make my decision in accordance with these views, in accordance with what my conscience tells me to be the national interest, and without regard to outside religious pressures or dictates. And no power or threat of punishment could cause me to decide otherwise.

But if the time should ever come — and I do not concede any conflict to be even remotely possible — when my office would require me to either violate my conscience or violate the national interest, then I would resign the office; and I hope any conscientious public servant would do the same.

But I do not intend to apologize for these views to my critics of either Catholic or Protestant faith, nor do I intend to disavow either my views or my church in order to win this election.

If I should lose on the real issues, I shall return to my seat in the Senate, satisfied that I had tried my best and was fairly judged. But if this election is decided on the basis that 40 million Americans lost their chance of being president on the day they were baptized, then it is the whole nation that will be the loser — in the eyes of Catholics and non-Catholics around the world, in the eyes of history, and in the eyes of our own people.

But if, on the other hand, I should win the election, then I shall devote every effort of mind and spirit to fulfilling the oath of the presidency — practically identical, I might add, to the oath I have taken for 14 years in the Congress. For without reservation, I can “solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the office of president of the United States, and will to the best of my ability preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution, so help me God.

Transcript courtesy of the John F. Kennedy Presidential Library and Museum.

Innoculating against Reason

The issue in discussions with believers is not simply the rationlity of any faith claim. Even though believers may appear to argue as though that is the issue, that if you can simply produce a convincing rational argument that would be sufficient to convince them the real issue is much deeper and more fundamental. Although they may mount what appear to be attempts at rational and evidence based arguments it is really, to a greater or lessor extent a ruse. Take a moment and watch this video of an interview with Dr. Willisam Lane Craig who is arguably the most prominent, if perhaps not the most capable, modern apologist for the Christian faith.

The Relationship of Faith to Reason

Dealing with significant doubt in the process of your university education

Both videos, especially the second video, show that evidence is really NOT important. Evidence is not how you KNOW or are strongly convinced that what you believe is true or what you think might be true is indeed true. The real determining factor is an internal, self-authenticating witness of the Holy Spirit in your heart. Notice of course, that this is a genuinely circular argument. It is at it’s foundation an appeal to subjective experience which is defined by the very faith to which it is supposed to witness and of which it is supposed to be the confirmation. The issue in dealing with Christianity or any faith based religion is that is is a FAITH BASED religion and NOT based on reason in any sense of the word. They may seen to find REASONABLE arguments to support what they ALREADY BELIEVE, but they are NOT basing what they believe ON REASON OR RATIONAL ARGUMENT. In a sense the presentation by believers of what appear to be and what they represent as rational argument is a dance, it is a feign or a ruse. It is an attempt to manipulate by presenting probablistic arguments to attempt to predispose you to accept what they believe as plausible hoping you will then make the jump from plausibility to conviction.

By relegating reason to be the “handmaiden” of faith and thus to only an ancillary role in belief they are also attempting to innoculate the faithful against the logical and rational objections which can and are raised against what they believe. By so doing it is hoped they will, against all odds, continue to believe. Having Faith IN THE VERY FACE of reason is elevated to the status of a cardinal virtue. Any attempts at rational argument and discourse will, in this climate, most likely result in a hung jury. More often than not, when backed into a corner, Christians will resort to the “faith card” saying, “well, I just believe” or “you just have to have faith”. The best you can really hope for is to begin to weaken the foundation by appeals to reason and hope their rational faculties will be awakened in spite of having been innoculated against them. It is also necessary to confront this irrrationality directly to expose the ruse for what it is.

This sort of vaccination has Biblical precedent. These verses are often presented from the pulpit to buttress the walls of believers faith against the reason they use to decide nearly every other important decision they make in the real world. Here are a few.

John 20:29 Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

In this passage Jesus is responding to the proclamation of faith by Thomas. Thomas must have been from Missouri. When presented with the witness of the other apostles to the bodily resurrection of Jesus, Thomas basically says, “show me”, ““Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe.” Shortly after when the disciples are togethers Jesus appears and invites Thomas to put his hands on or in the wounds Jesus suffered on the cross. After doing so Thomas proclaims, “My Lord and my God!” It is in response to this proclamation of faith that Jesus utters the benediction above. Notice Thomas is asking for evidence that Jesus indeed rose from the dead. He is exercising skepticism at the testimony of the disciples that Jesus has actually risen from the dead. I would say that is a pretty healthy and rational thing to do in the face of such an extraordinary claim. Yet, Thomas is nicknamed “Doubting Thomas” and has by that moniker been elevated as an example of one who lacks faith and who requires evidence to believe. Jesus takes him to task rather backhandedly in his statement. Jesus pronounces a blessing on those who will have faith without evidence, even in the face of the extraordinary claims of Jesus, perhaps even dispite evidence to the contrary.

Romans 4:18 18 Against all hope, Abraham in hope believed and so became the father of many nations, just as it had been said to him, “So shall your offspring be.”[d] 19 Without weakening in his faith, he faced the fact that his body was as good as dead—since he was about a hundred years old—and that Sarah’s womb was also dead. 20 Yet he did not waver through unbelief regarding the promise of God, but was strengthened in his faith and gave glory to God, 21 being fully persuaded that God had power to do what he had promised. 22 This is why “it was credited to him as righteousness.” 23 The words “it was credited to him” were written not for him alone, 24 but also for us, to whom God will credit righteousness—for us who believe in him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead. 25 He was delivered over to death for our sins and was raised to life for our justification.

In this passage Paul is speaking about justification by grace through faith. That is, Paul is argueing that a person is forgiven and therefore made “just” before God in spite of their sin, not by the good things they do in obeying the Law of God but rather simply by faith. In extolling faith Paul elevates Abraham as the father of all the faithful, the father f all who have faith in Jesus’s atoning sacrifice and therefore are may vicariously righteous and just before God the Judge. Notice Abraham is extolled as the paragon and paradign for Christian faith. That faith is defined as being “fully persuaded” that God would do as he had said he would do IN SPITE OF THE CONTRARY EVIDENCE, that being that both he and his wife should by all rights be infertile and unable to have children. Notice this faith is directly compared to unbelief as Abraham is said not to “waver thorugh unbelief” but rather was “strengthened in his faith”. This faith is “against all hope”.

Hebrews 11:1 1 Now faith is the [a]assurance of things [b]hoped for, the [c]conviction of things not seen. 2 For by it the men of old [d]gained approval.

This is perhaps the preeminent chapter on faith in the Bible. No one really knows who wrote this document known as the Book of Hebrews. It was thought that Paul was the author during the time of the early church. Scholars today argue this is not the case and propose a number of other possibilities but ultimately, no one knows. Notice faith is described in terms of “assurance” and “conviction” of things hoped for (but not yet possessed, that is things promised but not a reality) and “things not seen”. Faith is once again defined as knowleged in the face of or even contrary to evidence as in that which is now a reality and is “measurable” or seen. The chapter goes on to extol various examples of this kind of faith, Abrahm being the most prominent but also including Enoch, Moses and Joshua. They are all praised because ” 39 And all these, having [y]gained approval through their faith, did not receive [z]what was promised” yet still believed God would do it and acted as if it were true. The author further states that faith is crucial “6 And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him.” Believing and acting on that belief even in the face of all reason not too is absolutely critical to pleasing God.

I Corinthians 1:18 18 For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who [m]are perishing, but to us who [n]are being saved it is the power of God. 19For it is written,


This is the last passage I’ll deal with here. This passage illustrates how, particularly in the category of knowledge, wisdom and reason, faith is elevated to the point that even that which appears to be foolishness is actually wisdom and true knowledge. This is the direct innoculation against all the arguments and reasoning of you could possibly offer a believer. If what you say is an argument AGAINST what the Bible says, especically the cross and the resurrection, it can be summarly dismissed without any consideration. The quotation is from Isaish 29:14 where God promises to deal “wonderfully marvelously” with his people to awken them from their rote religion. The reference seems to be to the wise within the nation Israel and indeed Paul includes not only Gentile but also Jew in his defamation of wisdom and knowledge.

In verses 20 through 25 Paul contrast the “wisdom of the world” as represented by the “wise man”, the “scribe”, the “debater of this age” and declares that God has “made foolish the wisdom of the world”. He later refers to Greeks searching for wisdom. God has confounded this wisdeom by the “foolishness” of the message of the cross, or the crucified messiah because it is through faith in that foolishness that people come to know God and are delivered from their sins. To the Greek the cross is foolishness. But it is really, according to Paul, “the wisdom of God”. Paul also parallels the contrast of the “wisdom of the world” and the “foolishness” of the cross  with a contrast aims at the Jews who seek signs (acts of power) but are stymied by the apparent “weakness” of the crose which is actually a manisfestation of the power of God. He concludes this double contrast this way in verse 25, “25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men. ” By so doing Paul takes aim at his two major critics, the unbelieving Gentiles with their “wisdom” and the unbelieving Jews who find the “weakness” of the cross a “stumbling block”.

Paul reiterates this argument in 1 Corinthians 3,” 18 Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you thinks that he is wise in this age, he must become foolish, so that he may become wise. 19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness before God. For it is written, “He is THE ONE WHO CATCHES THE WISE IN THEIR CRAFTINESS”; 20 and again, “THE LORD KNOWS THE REASONINGS of the wise, THAT THEY ARE USELESS.”” Note that the “reasoning of the wise are useless”. In 11 Corinthians 10:5 the author encourages believers to bring every though captive and subject it to the Lordship of Jesus,” 5 We are destroying speculations and every lofty thing raised up against the knowledge of God, and we are taking every thought captive to the obedience of Christ, ..” Notice he is refering not simply to ideas but to speculation or reasoning. The presuppostions and idea content of the Bible forms a “governor” as it were on the activity of rational thought and any resulting ideas. Only those ideas and whatever reasoning that may have given them birth which is consistent with the Bible is acceptable, all else can be eliminated without “due process”.

It’s not difficult to see how this would be used to disparage reason, philosophy and any other manner of human thinking or reasoning in favor of the standard of the gospel and the “wisdom of God”. Any manner of thinking that might conflict, find fault with or criticize what is seen as the truth of the Bible, not just the crucifixion and the resurrection, would be immediately thrown out of court by virtue of the fact that is was critical. There is no need to evaluate or interact with the arguments against the resurrection or the existence of Jesus or the historicity of the crucifixion as a salvific event, they are by their very nature thrown into the trachbin of “worldly wisdom”. Dr. Douglas Wilson is a case in point. Dr. Wilson, a Presuppositional Apologist and pastor states that what constitutes rational or logical proof is what the Bible says is adequate, rational or logical proof. An argument which is considered circular according to the rules of logic is not really circular according to the logic accepted by the Bible.

So, for example, the argument of Paul for the existence of God in Romans 1 is the basis for both the Teleological argument later advanced by Christian apologists. It is also one of the most tired argument advanced by believers. On Dr. Wilsons criteria it represents a sound logical argument regardless of it’s failure to meet the test of logic and philosophical scrutiny because the Bible advances it as a sound argument. Therefore ANY criticism of it from a logical or philosophical perspective represents “the wisdom of the world” and can be dismissed. Admittedly the Christian apolgist may attempt to throw water on the criticism by what appear to be rational attempts to interact with it but in the end these are just ways of trying to appeal to the heart through the word. The best approach of this particular type of apologetics is to suggest ways in which the argument might not be valid, especially quoting the Bible, but then to change tacts if the person continues to bring rational criticism. It is clear from this sort of tactic that the strategy has little or nothing to do with actually seeking to determine what is true by logic, reason and evidence. It is openly admitted that these rational arguments cannot be effectively combated by reason, only by the Bible and the “rational feign” I’ve previously described.

This perspective on reason, logic and evidence with it’s contract between the “wisdom of God” and the “wisdom of the world” is one aspect of a black and white line of demarcation made in the Bible and informing the thinking of consistent believers. The Bible makes a hard and fast distinction between Christ and Belial (the devil), the flesh and the spirit (sinful nature and the Holy Spirity), the old man and the new man (sinful Adam and the sanctified nature), and being in the “world” but not “of” the world where the “world” or “age” is this that which is characterized by sin and disobedience to God. In consistent Christian theology the “noetic” effect of sin is taken seriously and the thinking and reasoning of those not “redeemed” by Christ have throught processes that are taineted and corrupted by sinful rebellion and therefore by “foolishness”. These thought processes cannot be trusted as a means of arriving at the truth. Only thinking which begins with the “knowledge of God” and proceeds subject to the presuppositions of a Biblican worldview is to be allowed and only it’s conclusions are to be accepted.

Dr. John Frame, a former professor of mine at Westminster Theological Seminary, makes several significant statements along this line in his book, “Apologetics to the Glory of God”. He defines one of the aspects of Apologetics as, “…attacking the foolishness (Ps. 14:1; 1 Cor. 1:18-2:16) of unbelieving thought”. He goes on to reiterate, “Non-Christian thinking is “foolishness,” according to the Scripture …. and one of he functions of apologetics is to expose that foolishness for what it is”. He does on to say, “…the unbeliever intentionally distorts the truth, exchanging it for a lie…”. This is the case not only for the conclusions reached but also for the process of reasoning itself. In discussing the apparently circularity of some arguments used by Apologists he states, “The fact is that the Christian here is presupposing a Christian epistomology — a view of knowledge, testimony, witness, appearance, and fact that is subject to Scripture. In other words, he is using scriptural standards to prove scriptural conclusions”. So while an history using accepted historical methods for attestation would not accept the Biblical testimony that the resurrected Jesus was see by more than 500 people as evidence for the resurrection, the Bible declares that it is valid evidence, therefore the standards of historical inquiry can be damned. Ultimately the believer and unbeliever cannot even agree on the METHOD for inquiry and proof much less the conclusions. He argues that the empiricism of Hume is based on “presuppositions” which the Christian cannot accept, therefore Hume empiricism is not an acceptable method or standard fr argueing the truth of a claim. This is true NOT because he has confronted Hume’s arguments and proven, philosophically, by generally accepted methods that Hume is wrong but rather because the Bible allows for evidence and methods of argument Hume would consider circular and therefore unacceaptable.

So, it would be tempting to think when you are discussing religion with a believer that you are agreed on the method of reaching the truth and it is only the conclusion on which you differ. This creates the delusion that you are both on the same page and if you can provide sound logical arguments you might have a chance. For many, if not most, this is not the case. It is not only the conclusions that difffer it is the very method itself. They have been innoculated against reason as a means of pursueing truth. It is that which needs to also be addressed in any discussion or argument.

“Celebrating” The Plagues on Egypt

One of my frequent haunts is the Religion section of the Huffington Post. While wandering through one Sunday morning I came across this entitled, “Parshat Vaera: The Weekly Torah Portion Explained”. Excellent! Perhaps he will “explain” the Plagues Yahweh leveled on Egypt. Indeed both Jew and Gentile “celebrate” the Exodus of the Children of Israel from slavery (if indeed they were ever slaves, historically speaking) in Egypt. I think that is awesome! No one, no people, no ethic group should be enslaved. However, along with the end of their supposed slavery there are other aspects of the “event” to be considered. The author of the article rehearses the events that precipitation the Jews into the desert and set them on the path of the Exodus and their eventual destination, “The Promised Land”. That is yet another story. I was disappointed the author of the article, a Rabbi, didn’t actually “explain” anything, so I decided I’d take a crack at it. My text comes from The Jewish Study Bible”.


I’m reposting my comments from Facebook. So, these are just comments on the text as I re-read it. I didn’t cite the Biblical referrences because it was Facebook so I encourage you to read the chapters yourself.

“Celebrating the plagues on Egypt. Please note that while Pharoah had the power to release the Israelites the plagues god sent were aimed at all the people of Egypt. God brought incredible suffering on all the people of Egypt none of whom could do anything to free the Israelites. No doubt there was misery and death to thousands. Then there was the final plague where god took the lives of all the first-born CHILDREN in Egypt. Assuming this actually happened (and there is NO historical evidence it did) god’s actions attributed here are HEINOUS. It’s like trying to get you teacher to give you more recess by taking a baseball bat to the other students in your class.”

“What’s more it says that god hardened Pharaoh’s heart. Why? So he could wreak even more havoc. God says “I will stiffen his (Pharoah’s) heart so he will not let the people go”. Even before the Moses even goes to Pharoah, god intends to take the plagues to the end and kill the first-born of Egypt. He tells Moses as much before Moses even goes to Egypt. God wanted to show how powerful he was and wanted to secure the worship of the Israelites.”

“I fail to see how anyone who truly, genuinely believes this is actually a real historical event resulting in the suffering and deaths of thousands of people at the hand of god while he simultaneously prevents from occurring the one condition he has set to end the suffering, could possible be okay with it.”

“Then there is the apparent lie god tells Moses to tell. He tells Moses to ask Pharoah to allow the Israelites to go three days into the desert to worship their god lest their god bring pestilence of the sword upon them. However, it is clear from the conversation at the burning bush and in conversations later that god intends to free the Israelites from Egypt not simply to give them a three-day Holy Day in the desert. So it would appear god tells Moses to lie in order to mislead Pharoah as to his real intentions.”

  “Then there is the very strange incident. As Moses is on his way to do exactly what god has told him to do in Exodus 4:24, the text says the “Lord encountered him and sought to kill him”. Say WHAT!!?? Zipporah Moses’ wife had to do an emergency circumcision on their son with a flint knife in order to get god to back off. She takes the bloody foreskin and touches someones legs with it. It’s a bit unclear who. One would assume it was Moses’ legs and not god’s legs but it’s already a weird story so who knows.”

Throughout the narrative the writer of the Biblical account (or writers) repeatedly says that God hardened Pharoah’s heart. Not only does God tell Moses ahead of time that is what he will do, it is repeated over and over, often from God’s own words. So, from the very beginning God intended to punish Pharoah for doing what HE, God was in fact PREVENTING HIM FROM DOING, letting the Israelites go. God is said, IN THE VERY TEXT ITSELF, to be motivated to do this to show his power so everyone, the Israelites and indeed the rest of the people of Canaan and the surrounding region will see what a BADASS he really is. Basically, they are his puppets and he can make them do whatever he wants, not permit them but MAKES THEM, then curse and punish them for doing it. What’s more as Pharoah appears to be softening, attempting to offer alternatives to Moses, God demands Pharoah allow them all with their livestock to go into the desert. When Pharoah finally say okay, the rules change. Now Pharoah has to also provide the animals for the bogus sacrifice they claim God is requiring them to make.

As I mentioned above, it was not just Pharoah God punished. It was not simply the officials of Egypt or the courtiers, it was ALL THE PEOPLE Egypt from the greatest to the least, even the fellow slaves who were supposedly suffering like the Jews. Children were not exempt either, they suffered and died along with the adults. No doubt the “Divine Command Theorist” will justify this by saying it was a mercy. After all, what would they do without their parents; don’t they actually go to heaven straight away? Is that not a mercy? It hardly justifies the suffering and the death and carnage or the “bully-esque” actions of God. Even arguing within the box there is little theological justification for that “doctrine” it is just a speculation offered to attempt to cover God’s heinous actions.

For those of you who are animal lovers, God did not spare the animals and livestock who also suffered and died all over the land of Eqypt.

Not only does God tell Moses to lie repeatedly regarding the intentions of the Israelites or the requirements God has laid on them, he also instructs them to lie regarding the “gold and silver” they take from the Egyptians. God gives the Jews favor in the eyes of they Egyptian neighbors similar to his hardening Pharoah’s heart he softens the hearts of the common Egyptians. He then tells Moses to tell the Jews to ask to “borrow” gold and silver. Of course God knows and Moses knows and the Israelites know they are not going to “borrow” anything. They are taking it never to return it. So, they will “despoil” as though it were a battle, the Egyptians. It is not the “oppressors” in particular who are so robbed. It is just their neighbors.

For centuries these actions have not only been accepted but actually lauded by believers both Jew and Gentile. I suppose if you subscribe to the notion that God because he is at least MORE powerful, if not ALL POWERFUL, can do whatever he chooses and whatever he chooses is morally justified, then you can sleep at night erected churches and gather congregations to worship this God. Obviously if this God DOES exist, what is true is true whether you like it or not but I’d say we are all, believer and unbeliever alike, in deep doo doo in absolute subjection to a God who basically will do whatever he chooses to do and then slap you down like he did Job when you question whether perhaps he’s not following his own rules and play the “mystery card”. How do you know what he calls “love” is what you consider love and will not either change or perhaps have hidden consequences you will only find out later. Although supposedly we are made in the image of God and derive our love, compassion, kindness and sense of justice and equity from that image, we cannot count on those sensibilities actually accurately reflecting how we might be treated by the one who is supposed to be their author.

The problem is that most believers either are not aware of these things, ignore them or gloss over them. Like the church before Luther and the printing press, they rely on the clergy to read the parts of the Bible that are important, to interpret those parts for them and to ignore the part that are too “difficult”. They aren’t supposed to ask questions or are led to believe there are deep and significant theological answers that only pastors and professor can answer. They defend these things when they are brought to their attention with the mantra “I just have faith” or “I’m just a simply believer” and spit in the face of the protestant movement that gave birth to their denominations.

What’s more, this is only the beginning. This is not even the tip of the iceberg, it’s the ripple in the water above the tip. It is my conviction that when most people read these accounts in some manner they do not put them in the same class as “real” events. If such events as these happened to day at the hands of a dictator people would be outraged, horrified and sick with grief. If they REALLY believed it they would abandon their religion. As it is it is “buffered” by “holiness” and by the impersonal distance of time and space as well as familiarity.

There is more to come! I’ll close with the first quote the author of the article cites. God say to Moses, “I am Mercy”. Not in my book!


Editorial Refused! Krystal Myers Editorial deemed “disruptive”

Here is the back story of Krystal Myers whose Editorial for her School Paper (of which, BTW, she is the editor) was denied publication by the School Administration. The Administration deemed the Editorial potentially disruptive to the student body. So, since they will not publish it, I’m publishing it here as are a number of other blogs. The Administration apparently has NO PROBLEM incorporating Christian religious instruction and activities into school events and activities, even the classroom.

“LENOIR CITY — Krystal Myers is an honors student, captain of the swim team and editor of her high school newspaper.

She’s also an atheist in a predominantly Christian student body.

In a recent editorial that Myers, 18, intended for the Lenoir City High School newspaper entitled “No Rights: The Life of an Atheist,” she questioned her treatment by the majority.

“Why does atheism have such a bad reputation? Why do we not have the same rights as Christians?” she wrote.

Myers’ editorial also accused school administrators, teachers and coaches of violating the constitution by promoting “pro-Christian” beliefs during school-sponsored events.

Lenoir City school authorities have denied Myers permission to publish her editorial in the Panther Press, the staff supervised student newspaper.”


Here is her Editorial:

No Rights: The Life of an Atheist
By Krystal Myers

The point of view expressed in this article does not necessarily reflect the point of view of the Panther Press, its staff, adviser, or school.

As a current student in Government, I have realized that I feel that my rights as an Atheist are severely limited and unjust when compared to other students who are Christians. Not only are there multiple clubs featuring the Christian faith, but youth ministers are also allowed to come onto school campus and hand candy and other food out to Christians and their friends. However, I feel like if an Atheist did that, people would not be happy about it. This may not be true, but due to pervasive negative feelings towards Atheists in the school, I feel that it would be the case. My question is, “Why? Why does Atheism have such a bad reputation?” And an even better question, “Why do Christians have special rights not allowed to non-believers?”

Before I even begin, I just want to clear up some misconceptions about Atheism. No, we do not worship the “devil.” We do not believe in God, so we also do not believe in Satan. And we may be “godless” but that does not mean that we are without morals. I know, personally, I strive to be the best person I can be, even without religion. In fact, I have been a better person since I have rejected religion. And perhaps the most important misconception is that we want to convert everyone into Atheists and that we hate Christians. For the most part, we just want to be respected for who we are and not be judged.

Now you should know exactly what an Atheist is. Dictionary.com says that an Atheist is, “a person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings.” However, this does not mean that Atheists do not believe in higher causes; we just do not believe in a higher being.

With that being said, I can move on to the real issue. Before I begin, I want you to think about your rights and how your perceived “rights” might be affecting the rights of others.

There are several instances where my rights as a non-believer, and the rights of anyone other than a Christian, have been violated. These instances inspired me to investigate the laws concerning the separation of church and state, and I learned some interesting things. However, first, I would like you to know specifically what my grievances are against the school. First and foremost is the sectarian prayer that occurs at graduation every year. Fortunately, I am not the first one to have thought that this was a problem. In the Supreme Court case, Lee v. Weisman, it was decided that allowing prayer at graduation is a violation of the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment that says, “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.” Special speakers can pray, but the school cannot endorse the prayer or plan for it to happen.

Public prayer also occurs at all of the home football games using the public address system. This has, again, been covered by the Supreme Court case Santa Fe Independent School District v. Doe. The Court ruled that school-sponsored prayer is an unconstitutional violation of the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment. If a speaker prays, it is fine. However, as soon as the school provides sponsorship, it becomes illegal. Sponsorship can be almost anything, even something as simple as saying that the speaker can pray or choosing a speaker with a known propensity to pray or share his or her religious views.

However, it is not just the speakers who we have to fear at Lenoir City High School. We also have to fear some of the teachers and what they might say about their own religious beliefs. On at least two separate occasions, teachers have made their religious preferences known to basically the whole school.

One teacher has made her religious preferences known by wearing t-shirt depicting the crucifix while performing her duties as a public employee. Also, Kristi Brackett, a senior at Lenoir City High School, has said that the teacher, “strongly encouraged us to join [a religious club] and be on the group’s leadership team.” Yet again, this violates the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment. When asked if this was true, the teacher replied, “As a teacher I would never use my power of influence to force my beliefs or the beliefs of [a religious club] on any student in the school.” Regardless, the religious t-shirts are still inappropriate in the school setting. Teachers are prohibited from making their religious preferences known; the Constitution requires them to be neutral when acting in their capacity as a public school teacher.

Not only are religious preferences shown through shirts, but also through a “Quote of the Day” that some teachers write on the boards in their classrooms. One teacher has Bible verses occasionally as the teacher’s “Quote of the Day” for students. The Establishment Clause of the First Amendment has been violated, yet again with no regard for non-believers.

But perhaps I would have more hope in our school and the possibility of change on the horizon if our own school board did not open their meetings with prayer. A person who wished to remain anonymous that has been present at school board meetings says, “They do have prayers. They pray to ‘Our Heavenly Father’ and end with ‘In Jesus’ Name We Pray.’” Not only is this a violation of Supreme Court law, but also a violation of the board’s own policy that prohibits prayer at school-sponsored events. The whole foundation of how our school is conducted is established by obvious Christians. Somehow, this is unsurprising. If our School Board chooses to ignore the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment and the Supreme Court, then it is no surprise that teachers choose to do the same.

I know that I will keep trying to gain my rights as an Atheist and as an American citizen, but I also need your help in educating other people to realize the injustice done to all minority groups. The Christian faith cannot rule the United States. It is unconstitutional. Religion and government are supposed to be separate. If we let this slide, what other amendments to the Constitution will be ignored? I leave you to decide what you will or will not do, but just remember that non-believers are not what you originally thought we were; we are human beings just like you.

End of her Editorial.